Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood found herself defending her proposed immigration plan to GB News political editor Christopher Hope in a car crash interview during which she refused to reveal any deliverables. Shortly after she faced Parliament to explain her proposal, which includes Donald Trump style visa bans, she sat down with the TV anchor who asked her how she was going to stop the "lefty lawyers" from "attacking your plans from unpicking what you're trying to do."
"Well, look, I think I think politics about making an argument. That's what I did in the house today. Not everybody will agree, but I think what we did see in the house today was wide support from my colleagues sitting behind me for these proposals. I believe that that wide support is there in the parliamentary Labour Party. It's there in the Labour Party, and I believe, more importantly, it's there in the country. That is what I think will make sure that these reforms are realised, and ultimately will be my job to make sure I can implement these reforms and deliver for the British people," Mahmood insisted.
Pushing Mahmood further as she leaned in to make her point, Hope said: "How can we judge your success?
"45,000 came here legally in 2022 numbers off by heart, 29,000 in 2023, 36,000 last year, pushing 50,000 maybe this year. What success look like? Will those numbers come down next year and going forward?" he asked.
"Look I want to implement these reforms as quickly as possible. I want to reduce the factors that are persuading people to judge me on delivery... I want to I want to get those boat crossings down.
"I'm not going to say an arbitrary number," she said as Hope interrupted her continuously pushing for a stright answer.
"They will fall next year. I want to see them fall. Of course, I do. As we implement these reforms, I would say to your viewers and to people across the country, judge us on the totality of the reforms once they're being implemented.
"I believe the combination of these reforms and our law enforcement activity can fix this problem and can bring those numbers down.
"I will always, of course, keep under review whether these measures are working as they should, but we've announced the set of proposals today.
"We've now got to consult and bring forward legislation that will be the next stage, and then we've got to crack on with delivery as well," she said.