turned explosive on Wednesday morning when presenter Mike Graham clashed with Lord Alex Carlile after it was revealed the Southport killer had been referred to the anti-extremism scheme Prevent three times before the murders took place.
Mike challenged the barrister, saying that Prevent is "not fit for purpose" and questioned what good the government-led programme has done.
Lord Carlile hit back: "Prevent does what it says on the tin," before Mike interrupted: "Well, it hasn't prevented anything, has it? It hasn't prevented young children being killed, it hasn't prevented the London Bridge attacker from killing people.
"It has failed multiple times to protect the British public, so therefore, the word 'Prevent' is not a suitable moniker for the organisation."
Lord Carlile implored the host to let him answer the question and stop interrupting him, which angered the breakfast show host even more.
He raged: "I am not going to be spoken down to like some kind of child, OK? I don't know who you think you are. Just because you are a lord doesn't give you the ability to lord it over the rest of the public, OK?
"Talk to me as an equal or else you can get lost, frankly."
Lord Carlile said: "I thought you were a journalist? Now, I'm going to answer your question if you will shut up for a minute.
"Prevent has done a large deal of good. Prevent has prevented large numbers of people from becoming terrorists but it cannot succeed in every case, and you cannot expect it to succeed in every case."
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